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Danger Zone: Paying Off Collection Accounts

Paying Off Collection Accounts

If you have a collection listed on your credit report and you are getting ready to refinance or buy a home, then you definitely need this advice:

It is very important to know that the possibility of any collections on the credit" is discussed before running the credit report." If I were to run your credit through General Mortgage, the report would be marked and categorized as a mortgage report. A recent mortgage inquiry on your credit can make it next to impossible to negotiate the pay-off of a collection account for anything less than what the collection agency demands.

Let's say the balance on the ambulance bill that went unpaid by your insurance now shows up on your credit report. If you took that ambulance ride two years ago and paid the bill today, you would have tanked your credit scores by making that collection brand new again.

If no mortgage inquiry has been made and we had ordered the free annual credit reports and discovered the collection, then I could negotiate for you in"paying off the collection. This is much harder to get it completely removed that it was two years ago.

That negotiation might include paying less than the collection agency wants for the bill and would always include the collection agency removing the account from ever being reported again. I have successfully done this many times for my mortgage clients. It is especially important because a newer collection can take up to 80 points off of your credit scores.

There is more on this subject in my book on credit and credit scores." You can check it out at www.CreditFitness.net.

Free Annual Credit Reports

You are entitled to a copy of your credit report each year.

You can order the reports on line, but be very careful that you use this exact address:

https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/index.jsp The are sites that are similar and can cause you to give your private information to identity thieves.

I prefer and advise that you write a letter or call each of the three main credit repositories.

They are:

Equifax Credit Information Services 

PO Box 740241 Atlanta, GA 30375  By phone: 1-800-216-1035,

http://www.econsumer.equifax.com/equifax.app/Welcome

TransUnion Corporation

PO Box 390 Springfield, PA 19064-0390 By phone: 1-800-888-4213

http://www.transunion.com/CreditReport/

Experian

ATTN: NCAC

PO Box 949 Allen,  TX 75002 By phone: 1-888-397-3742

http://www.experian.com/consumer/index.html

I prefer to have the written reports mailed to my clients because they are easier to read.

It is important to get your reports every year to review what is on each one. 72% of credit reports contain errors and of that 72%, twenty-five percent of those will cause a borrower to be declined on a loan.

Obtaining your annual credit reports is essential to protect your credit profile from identity theft. Check out www.CreditFitness.net for more information.

Refinance Without the Typical Refinance Rules

The following article is the contents of an answer that I gave to another blog contributor today.

I would love to hear any comments from other professionals who are helping homeowners to keep their homes by way of a Loan Modification.

A "modification" is the end result of negotiating with the current lender or investor for a home loan that isn't working well for the homeowner.

Those homeowners who are facing foreclosure do have an option that is finally getting some attention from the public and the lenders themselves. That option typically means that the current lender may bring the interest rate down, fix an adjustable interest rate, reduce the amount of the loan, or allow the homeowner to add one to four house payments to the back end of their loans.

Many owners cannot refinance their adjusting ARM loan. They have made their payments on time and have good jobs. However, they've had a few late payments because the house payment soared upward by $600. This homeowner is a great scenario for looking into a load modification. The lender will typically want to avoid foreclosure, so a modification to the original loan is in everyone's best interest. This is just an everyday scenario, there are many others.

I like to recommend that an owner check out loan modification first. If that clearly will not work out, then consider a short sale. If a short sale will not work out, then letting the house go to foreclosure may be the only option available to the owner.

There is a method for dealing with staying in a home during the foreclosure process. That would take another long post.

Back to our original topic:

Hi SoCalGal:

It's great to hear from you. I hope that you will share your experiences in this area with me. I am always interested in knowing what others are working on.

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:24 PM, (e-mail address not provided) wrote:

SoCalGal has posted a response to your message titled
Re: Do I tell the bank I want to go in foreclosure???? in Foreclosure Discussion.

The posted reply can be found at the following URL:

http://www.all-foreclosure.com/forums/foreclosures/messages/7710.html

If the reply pertains to an ongoing discussion, it is
requested you go to the above URL to post any response.

The posted reply reads as follows:

Dated  : June 21, 2008 at 20:24:41

Subject: Re: Do I tell the bank I want to go in foreclosure????

Mary, can you tell us under what circumstances the lenders are reducing loan balances?

My response:

Hi SoCalGal:

Thanks for writing!

To answer your question: Any loan balances being reduced are usually due to the property being at the highest risk of foreclosure and what that foreclosure will do to/for the investor. Where it is on the lenders' books is another factor. The number of requests for a reduction will also give the investor the current "climate" of the market.

An example:

A million dollar home that has lost 30% of its' value: a borrower who made the fixed period payments on time, who wants to remain in the home, and who has steady income.

Those factors would make it easier for a lender to write down part of the mortgage loan amount to avoid the average foreclosure costs and to avoid the loss of income on the note for a period of six to 18 months.

Any file submitted to the investor/representative of investor must "stand on it's own". The negotiator for the modification must present a clear picture of where we are today, what the cost of a "No" answer will have on the investor, and what the Borrower can live with.

This is an example of a scenario that did work for a balance reduction. A write down between 5 to 25% of the note with a borrower who is capable of performing NOW keeps a foreclosure off the lender's default list and makes the lender look better to the investor. I am not going to disclose the exact amount of the write down, but it was more than 5% of the mortgage balance. (Your mileage may vary)

This is NOT standard operating procedure. Having said that.......one could act "as if it was" when approaching the lender and being willing to wait for an answer without caving in. In my humble opinion, that is the hardest part for the property owner, which is why a representative for the owner is the best idea. A good one will pay for himself with good negotiating skills and presentation of the borrowers information which will ultimately "pay" or save the owner on his loan.

Our processing unit has been successful in the above scenario. Please remember that this is not a typical case and that each scenario for each homeowner should be reviewed by a professional with a history of mortgage and real estate expertise. This person must also represent a company history of good performance and service.

There are many Loan Modification "experts" popping up to help people with their homes. No license is required. Please check them out before you sign any contract or pay any fee. Don't give your property up to ANYONE without the advice of an attorney that has been referred to you by a trusted source. Remember, that if the homeowner has been advised by their lender with a Notice of Default, that it is a felony to accept a fee from the owner until an agreement has been obtained for a loan modification or forbearance.

Standard Disclosure: Please seek individual, professional advice in your personal situation. This article is not intended to advise or counsel any particular person. It is to be used as notice of current events. The above article is authored by Mary Supinger and is protected by copyright laws. Credit Fitness is a registered trademark of www.CreditFitness.net.

Timing Is Everything

Any American male can tell you that, in romance, timing is everything!

Flowers delivered two days after her birthday will not be given the same response as on the day of her birthday. There could be hell to pay unless a really good excuse is offered.

When you do something is critically important to your credit scores.

Much of the time, in my business as a mortgage loan officer, I see clients coming in and want to improve their credit scores in one week. Unless a person has a lot of credit debt and money to pay it off right away, this is usually not possible.

Credit scores take a while to show off the grooming you have done, or not done, to them.

Giving yourself a full six months to get ready for your “close-up” will pay off big when you plan to borrow money to buy a car or a house. You may need even more time if you are looking to add over 60 points to your scores.

Many of the “rules” that are taught about credit are written so that you will avoid problems on your way to buying a house or a car. It is said, “Don’t pay off collections”, “avoid inquiries”, and “no closing of accounts”.

A few inquiries for home mortgages will not hurt you because the most modern scoring model expects you to shop for a mortgage. The time frame for this happening on a home loan is 45 days. Be aware that if you submit a loan scenario to Lending Tree you could get as many as 300 inquires of your credit by all the lenders who will make you an offer on your loan. Even 40 inquiries will completely tank your scores

This is also true for auto loans. That time frame for this is 14 days. If you like to test drive cars and they pull your credit once a month for 6 months, you could be doing yourself damage.

Collections can be paid off and the item completely deleted from your report if you negotiate successfully for that prior to making payment. I advise that you avoid paying off any collection without negotiating for a complete deletion.

If they absolutely will not delete, you can pay them off safely after your escrow closes. Most loan underwriters will allow this to happen at the closing of the transaction for real estate.

If you aren’t planning to borrow for a car or a mortgage for the next six months to two years, then do the things that will protect your credit in the future. Close accounts that you must close to protect yourself, pay off collections, open new accounts, and charge your credit cards up past 30% of their limits.

Your credit score is only a number. It’s an important number when you want to borrow money; just don’t lie awake at night worrying about it after the escrow has closed. It’s okay for it to go down at certain times in order to protect or improve your long term credit profile. My book, Credit Repair & Credit Scores: Step-By-Step Guide For Dramatic Improvement contains many recommendations for getting the best results in your credit profile.